"Perwakilan Gerakan Johor, Tan Lai Soon mengatakan Melayu juga pendatang yang berasal dari Indonesia. Dia kata dia ada baca sejarah, tapi agaknya sekadar baca tapi langsung tak dapat faham!'
Kelab Che Det FB
So let us be clear about the definition of pendatang. All those Malays who moved from one island to another but within the Malay Archipelago are not pendatang. It is just like Malays from Penang moving to Selangor. The cut-off date would be after the different sovereign states were created in the 20th Century.
Raja Petra
In that superficial sense, if anyone wants to say Malay are pendatang from Indonesia, you are as good as saying the Hokkiens are Pendatang in Canton, Beijing people are pendatang in Shanghai, or Kedah in Selangorian are pendatang too.
Tai Zee Kin
Gerakan members dan sewaktu dengan mereka should know the history of Semenanjung Tanah Melayu before they put their foot in their mouth.
Me
From Facebook Kelab Che Det:
Admin nak sekolahkan sekali lagi orang mcm Tan Lai Soon ni! Dulu pun admin dah post banyak kali pasal sejarah orang Melayu di Malaysia.
Orang Melayu memang merupakan penduduk asal Malaysia (sebelumnya Tanah Melayu) dan kajian arkeologi dan mtDNA mengesahkan kewujudannya di Benua Sunda sejak lebih 60 ribu tahun yang lalu lagi. Tidak timbul soal orang asli merupakan penduduk asal di negara ini kerana pemetaan genetik dan artifak arkeologi juga telah mendapati bahawa masyarakat Orang Asli Semang dan Senoi yang mendiami Benua Sunda adalah merupakan nenek moyang kepada populasi Melayu Proto dan ras Melayu hari ini. Kajian itu telah dibuat oleh penyelidik Universiti Sains Malaysia yang diketuai oleh Prof Madya Dr Zafarina Zainuddin. Kajian mtDNA oleh pakar genetik Universiti Oxford, Dr Stephen Oppenheimer juga mengesahkan tentang perkara ini.
Orang Melayu Kelantan memang telah dibuktikan secara kajian saintifik dan sejarah sudah wujud dan menetap di Semenanjung Tanah Melayu lebih 60 ribu tahun dahulu lagi! Mereka bukan pun berasal dari kepulauan Melayu yang kini merupakan wilayah Indonesia.
Memang sebahagian orang Melayu di Pantai Barat Semenanjung Tanah Melayu berasal dari kepulauan-kepulauan yang kini dalam wilayah Indonesia. Tapi waktu itu, tiada pemisahan sempadan. Orang Melayu boleh berpindah-randah ke mana-mana wilayah mereka kerana dari sudut sejarah sebelum penjajahan, pulau-pulau tersebut seperti Sumatera merupakan wilayah keturunan Melayu juga. Penjajah yang memisahkan wilayah-wilayah Melayu melalui Perjanjian Inggeris-Belanda dan Perjanjian Inggeris-Siam.
Sebahagian besar Sumatera, Singapura, Pattani dan sebagainya sebelum wujud perjanjian penjajah tersebut adalah merupakan wilayah orang keturunan Melayu. Tiada sempadan untuk mereka bergerak sama seperti orang Kelantan atau Kedah berhijrah ke Selangor hari ini!
So let us be clear about the definition of pendatang. All those Malays who moved from one island to another but within the Malay Archipelago are not pendatang. It is just like Malays from Penang moving to Selangor. The cut-off date would be after the different sovereign states were created in the 20th Century.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
All the three key races that form Malaysia’s majority — the Malays, Chinese and Indians — are immigrants or pendatangs, even though the Malays, as the country’s dominant ethnic group, are given Bumiputera status, a Gerakan delegate, Tan Lai Soon, said today.
Tan said that supporters of Umno, who have in the past referred to the Chinese as immigrants, did not realise that even the Malays do not originate from Malaysia.
“I want to explain Malaysians’ position. The Malays, Chinese, Indians, are all pendatangs (immigrants) other than the indigenous people, Sabahans, Sarawakians — the original Bumiputera. So when Umno’s people say the Chinese are pendatang, they didn’t think that they are also pendatang from Indonesia,” said Tan.
Actually, Tan is not quite correct because he is looking at Malaysia as a sovereign nation separate from Indonesia, Philippines and Southern Thailand. Those are boundaries created by the European colonialists since the 16th Century. Prior to that, Indonesia, Philippines, Southern Thailand (up to the Isthmus of Kra), Singapore, East Timor and Brunei did not exist. What existed was just the Malay Archipelago.
The Malay Archipelago has been defined as an island group of Southeast Asia between Australia and the Asian mainland and separating the Indian and Pacific oceans. It includes what we now call Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Southern Thailand (up to the Isthmus of Kra), Singapore, East Timor and Brunei.
About 1,400 years ago, at the time of Prophet Muhammad, the Malay Archipelago, the name the Europeans gave this region, was part of the Srivijaya Empire. In the 13th Century, this was replaced by the Majapahit Empire until the 16th Century and still included those countries mentioned.
The language of this region was old Malay, old Javanese and Sanskrit with Buddhism and Hinduism as its main religions.
It was in the 16th Century that the Spanish, Dutch and Portuguese started coming to the Malay Archipelago and began dividing up the territory, just like what the Europeans did to the Ottoman Empire after the First World War (and the cause of all those problems in the Middle East today).
Hence it would be incorrect to say that the Malays are pendatang or immigrants, at least not the original Malays of the 600s to 1800s. There was certainly movement of people between the different islands as well as the Malay Peninsula plus Thailand. But these people were not immigrants because this movement was still within the same empire or territory.
When Tan says that the Malays, too, are immigrants to Malaysia, he has to clarify what period he was referring to. The Straits Settlements, the Federated Malay States, the Unfederated Malay States and British Borneo did not come into existence until the 19th Century. From then on British Malaya came into being.
For purposes of history, all those people who came to British Malaya since 1850 could be correctly referred to as pendatang or immigrants (the date when the British immigration policy was launched to bring in Chinese and Indians from China and India). Prior to 1850, we cannot call the Malays from Java, Sumatra, etc., as pendatang.
So let us be clear about the definition of pendatang. All those Malays who moved from one island to another but within the Malay Archipelago are not pendatang. It is just like Malays from Penang moving to Selangor. The cut-off date would be after the different sovereign states were created in the 20th Century.
For example, when my family moved to Selangor in the 18th Century, Selangor was not yet part of British Malaya but was an independent territory under Perak control. At that time, the Bugis Johor-Riau Empire controlled that region. It was not until the 19th Century when the British and Dutch signed a treaty in London that the Empire was carved up and eventually ended.
Today, any Bugis from Indonesia who comes to Selangor can be called a pendatang. But in the 18th Century we were not pendatang. That is a historical fact.
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The Malay Archipelago is the largest group of islands in the world, consisting of the more than 17,000 islands of Indonesia and the approximately 7,000 islands of the Philippines. The principal islands and groups of the Republic of Indonesia include the Greater Sundas (Sumatra, Java, Borneo, and Celebes), the Lesser Sundas, the Moluccas, and western New Guinea. The main islands of the Philippines include Luzon (north), Mindanao (south), and the Visayas in between. Other political units in the archipelago are East Malaysia (Sabah and Sarawak), Brunei, and Papua New Guinea.
Encyclopædia Britannica
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Definition and Boundaries
Definition and Boundaries
For reasons which depend mainly on the distribution of animal life, I consider the Malay Archipelago to include the Malay Peninsula as far as Tenasserim and the Nicobar Islands on the west, the Philippines on the north, and the Solomon Islands, beyond New Guinea, on the east. All the great islands included within these limits are connected together by innumerable smaller ones, so that no one of them seems to be distinctly separated from the rest.
By Alfred Russel Wallace, The Malay Archipelago.
Are Malay pendatang from "INDONESIA"? (Refering to the Gerakan Man's allegation)
If British, Spain, Portugal, and the Netherland did not came and colonize us, I have a feeling that south east Asia will be very different from how it is now.
Firstly, the indo-chinese countries like Myanmar Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand will remain as such due to their long and ancient history being subject/influencee of the Chinese empire and also their own ancient sovereign respectively. Their language are unique to its own and has a little bit of chinese influence here and there.
The intriguing and interesting part would be among Malaysia, Indonesian, Philippines and Bruneians. These were countries forming the "Malay Achipelago", commonly known as Nusantara. They share similiar language and cultural background, being a blend and fusion of (lingual) Sanskrit, Pali, Persian, Arabic, Tamil, Han Chinese, and the local "Malay" languages, as well as the cultural influence of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, all predated colonial invasion and existed since time immemorial.
The whole idea of "Malaysia" and "Indonesia" was infact a product of the colonial treaty between Britain and Netherlands in 17 March 1824 in London, "Anglo-Dutch Treaty 1824" which sets the boundary of colonial influence between modern day peninsular malaysia (to british) and Indonesia to Netherlands. The Treaty was later updated in 1891 through the Boundary Convention in London, and 1928 in Hague Netherlands.
Take for an instance, if there were only one colonial force instead of two, say Netherland, the whole of Malaya and Indonesia would be Indonesia, under the influence of Netherland colonial strategy. Or vice versa, if it was just British, it could be Brotish-Malaya for all malaysia and Indonesia, as one country. (Lateron, the brooks and the East india company would surrender their sovereign of Sabah and Sarawak to british crown).
I therefore despise this Gerakan man's simplistic view about Malay coming from Indonesia. If he bothered to read up a little on history, there is No Malaya / malaysia or Indonesia before 1824. Not even the slightest sense in terms of nationality wise.
The malay, indonesians were original dweller of the Malay archipelagos. They were all the aboriginal people here. They were descendent of The Jawa, bugis, kattaha, Minangkabau, pahang, orang laut, or orang Asli etc etc. They were here since time immemorial, whether their existence was recorded in any western or chinese journal or not.
Whenever we talk about Indonesia or Malaysia, that's after 1824 and it's not even old enough to ascertain the origin of a tribe or ethnic.
In that superficial sense, if anyone wants to say Malay are pendatang from Indonesia, you are as good as saying the Hokkiens are Pendatang in Canton, Beijing people are pendatang in Shanghai, or Kedah in Selangorian are pendatang too.
Period. Sian.
The following is added reading:
YE LIN SHENG- Penulis buku THE CHINESE DILEMMA..
APA PENULIS KATA BERKENAAN CINA:
1.Pandangan ini adalah dari Ye Lin-Sheng yang berasal dari China tetapi seorang ahli perniagaan di Malaysia, Hong Kong, Australia, Thailand, Singapura, Britain dan Amerika Syarikat. Beliau mempunyai banyak pengalaman yang melibatkan orang Cina di negara yang disenaraikan itu. Tetapi orang Cina di Malaysialah yang paling tidak bersyukur, kejam, serta mengkhianati perjanjian ataupun dipanggil perlembagaan.. Dalam buku Ye Lin-Sheng The Chinese Dilemma (East West Publishing, Australia, 2003), Ye Lin-Sheng menulis:
2. Pengiktirafan orang Cina:
"Orang Cina Malaysia mendapati mereka lebih mudah untuk menerima dominasi oleh orang-orang putih kerana mereka dapat memberi pengiktirafan terhadap kehebatan orang Barat. Tetapi Orang Cina Malaysia amat susah untuk menerima kehebatan orang Melayu kerana perasaan iri hati dan hasad dengki mereka bahawa Malaysia ini milik orang Melayu. Mana mana orang Cina Malaysia sama sekali tidak boleh menerima tentang konsep ketuanan Melayu, mereka percaya bahawa mereka adalah lebih baik" -(Buku The Chinese Dilemma - Ye Lin-Sheng)
3.Keangkuhan orang Cina:
"Keangkuhan orang cina Malaysia telah membuatkan mereka sentiasa memandang rendah terhadap keupayaan orang Melayu, walhal ramai orang Melayu sebenarnya bekerja atau belajar lebih pandai dari kaum cina Malaysia ini. Perkara ini sudah lama saya perhatikan, kerana saya memiliki perniagaan di Malaysia dan telah bercampur dengan orang Cina Malaysia ini. Sikap mereka suka cakap belakang dan tekan orang Melayu adalah menjadi tabiat dan budaya mereka. Mana mana orang Cina Malaysia yang tidak menghina orang Melayu dikatakan kolot dan membelot bangsa cina" -(Buku The Chinese Dilemma - Ye Lin-Sheng)
4.Perkauman orang cina:
"Kejayaan orang Cina Malaysia hanya tercapai jika mereka dapat menindas orang Melayu dalam masa yang sama menggunakan kudrat dan kelebihan orang Melayu. Mereka juga tidak akan mengakui bahawa kepimpinan Melayu adalah sangat mahir, cekap serta bagus dalam pengurusan politik, ekonomi dan sosial. Cina jarang menyifatkan kejayaan Malaysia daripada orang Melayu. Apa yang ada diminda mereka adalah semua kejayaan di Malaysia ini adalah kerana orang Cina. Sebab itu orang Cina yang asal dari China tidak suka bergaul dengan Cina Malaysia kerana sikap mereka yang ekstrim ini. Mereka masih lagi mengamalkan ideologi komunis" -(Buku The Chinese Dilemma - Ye Lin-Sheng)
5. Penghinaan orang Cina:
"Sampai hari ini, sesetengah orang Cina Malaysia masih menggunakan istilah "Menghina" terhadap orang Melayu. Dalam dialek Cina yg tertentu, orang Melayu dipanggil dengan nama yang bermakna ‘orang hutan’ atau ‘orang liar’. Maknanya, Bangsa yang tidak Bertamadun.. Malahan orang Cina yang memeluk Islam dikatakan telah ‘masuk Melayu’. Jarang ibu bapa Cina membenarkan anak mereka menjadi Askar atau Polis kerana anggap itu kerja kotor dan hanya Eksklusif kepada kaum Melayu sahaja.. Mereka sentiasa percaya bahawa budaya dan Tamadun Cina lebih tinggi berbanding Budaya dan Tamadun Melayu termasuklah penggunaan membersihkan diri menggunakan tisu dianggap lebih bertamadun.. Umumnya, orang Cina boleh menerima ‘Ketuanan orang Putih’ kerana menganggap tamadun dan Budaya Barat lebih bagus, tapi tidak terhadap Tamadun Melayu-Bumiputera." -(Buku The Chinese Dilemma - Ye Lin-Sheng)
6.Sikap negatif orang Cina:
"Kejayaan orang Melayu turut dipandang sinis. Ia biasanya dikaitkan dengan bantuan Kerajaan atau hak istimewa yang diberi kepada mereka. Kebanyakan Cina Malaysia sukar menerima hakikat kejayaan Usahawan atau Syarikat2 Melayu.. dimana mereka berniaga secara jujur dan bukan seperti orang Cina berniaga. Jadi sebenarnya majoriti orang Melayu ada peniaga tulen yang jujur dan dicapai menerusi kerja keras mereka. Sikap sebegini sebahagiannya berpunca daripada kesukaran menerima hakikat orang Melayu lebih pandai daripada mereka dan sebahagian lagi bertujuan menunjukkan pencapaian mereka sebagai lebih hebat" -(Buku The Chinese Dilemma - Ye Lin-Sheng)
7.Isu Tuan Rumah:
"Siapakah Tuan Rumah Negara Malaysia? Ia adalah orang Melayu selaku Tuan Rumah , dan orang Cina dan India sebenarnya hanya
lah sbg tetamu ataupun dipanggil menumpang kerana tiada tempat. Orang Cina Malaysia sepatutnya berasa malu kerana telah datang secara asal untuk menjadi pekerja dan selepas diberi Kerakyatan.... Akhirnya mereka cuba hendak merampas serta menindas Tuan Rumah (Bangsa Melayu). Sudahlah mereka datang dengan jumlah yang besar dan ramai. Jika saya (Ye Lin-Sheng, penulis Buku) adalah orang Melayu, saya tidak akan membenarkan Perlembagaan dan Sosial Kontrak dicabar. Saya akan merasakan maruah dan penghormatan saya akan tercalar" -(Buku The Chinese Dilemma - Ye Lin-Sheng)
8.Orang Melayu sebenarnya sedang dijajah oleh Cina:
"Tetapi itulah keistimewaan orang Melayu, mereka adalah satu Bangsa yang bersopan santun dan kaya dgn kesabaran.. Sudahlah mereka bersusah payah Berjuang bermati matian untuk membebaskan diri dari Jajahan Barat. Sekarang mereka perlu bersusah payah pula untuk merampas dari orang Cina yang memegang kuasa ekonomi di Tanah airnya.. Sepatutnya orang Cina yang perlu berbakti kepada orang Melayu kerana mereka sudah diberi peluang utk mendapat kerakyatan, tetapi saya selaku orang asal dari negara China berasa malu dengan sikap Bangsa saya sendiri yang tinggal di Malaysia. Tidak ada perkataan yang dapat saya berikan kerana dasar orang Cina Malaysia terlalu keras, Ekstrim serta Perkauman. Kami sendiri orang yang tinggal di China tidak lagi menerima ideologi Komunis, tetapi orang Cina di Malaysia lebih selesa untuk mengamal serta menyebarkan ideologi Komunis sehingga kini.. Sebenarnya jujur saya mengatakan orang Cina Malaysia sedang Menjajah Orang Melayu... Mereka seperti menganggap bahawa orang Melayu adalah musuh mereka yang nyata" -(Buku The Chinese
Dilema)..
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